I would like to start a constructive discussion about the possibility of adding Skewb as an official event. Please post here any reason for Skewb to be added, or why you think otherwise.

+ fun puzzle + different from all other official events - too luck-based (like 2x2x2, Pyraminx) - 17 official events is enough to deal with on major competitions. My general positions regarding ths matter is very neutral.

+ turning style is very different to every other event (I feel this adds variation to the line up of events) + Simple notation (4 sided notation, Fixed-corner notation seems to be the standard now) + scrambling is easy (4gen FCN is easy to learn and execute, puzzle states are similar in number to 2/pyra) + Doesn't take too long (A round would be comparable to that of 2/pyra, and due to magics being removed, potential space for competitions to hold it) - Potential luck element While I slightly agree with the luck-based element of the scrambles, due to the fact that turning of the puzzle is much more awkward than 2x2 or pyraminx, I think that luck won't affect single times as much as it would with those events. I would very much like for this to be considered as a new event. There was a thread on speedsolving.com just over a year ago when the WCA was asking for recommendations for 2012 that had some very good points on, but was then closed due to the WCA not considering anymore changes. Perhaps the discussion could be re-started if there is a possibility of changing the events for the next set of regulations?

+Very popular +Fun +Event which would not take up too much time -Luck element I would personally like to see Skewb become an official event either year or the year after. It would attract new cubers and help fill the gap left by magic

The point is though, that there is definitely no gap left my magic.

[quote="Sebastien":8qwbhio5]The point is though, that there is definitely no gap left my magic.[/quote:8qwbhio5] Ok, I can give you that. But nonetheless, I do think that there are a lot of people who would like to see this become official, and we have room to add.

Adding an event just because we have "room" isn't really the best argument. I would rather see it added due to demand from the community and from discussion about the events. As for magics leaving a gap, I would disagree that they do because now it allows more time in competition schedules for multiple rounds of other events, which isn't really leaving a gap. I mean, I'm for adding skewb, but I think that trying to say we should add it because there is a gap, isn't really the best way to do so.

[quote="ChrisWall":34q1xvpt]Adding an event just because we have "room" isn't really the best argument. I would rather see it added due to demand from the community and from discussion about the events. As for magics leaving a gap, I would disagree that they do because now it allows more time in competition schedules for multiple rounds of other events, which isn't really leaving a gap. I mean, I'm for adding skewb, but I think that trying to say we should add it because there is a gap, isn't really the best way to do so.[/quote:34q1xvpt] Yeah, we should probably go back to that. Sorry for being sorta off-topic.

I really, really thought about this, and I display my thoughts. +Fast event +Easy scramble +Cool turning +Noobs will have a chance for a world record. (for a while.)

[quote:vde6xvpl]Noobs will have a chance for a world record. (for a while.)[/quote:vde6xvpl] such a good argument...

I see no major reason why we shouldn't have Skewb as an event. It would spark a lot of fresh discussion about methods and the like for this puzzle throughout the community. I think the WCA should perhaps conduct a poll or survey of some kind to decide on whether to add it or not (what do you think?).

I think that would be a good idea.

ChrisWall wrote: "Adding an event just because we have "room" isn't really the best argument. I would rather see it added due to [b:232ju690]demand from the community[/b:232ju690] and from discussion about the events. As for magics leaving a gap, I would disagree that they do because now it allows more time in competition schedules for multiple rounds of other events, which isn't really leaving a gap. I mean, I'm for adding skewb, but I think that trying to say we should add it because there is a gap, isn't really the best way to do so." [i:232ju690]I demand that you add it![/i:232ju690]

What Skewb has going for it from the get-go is that the community has [url=http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?11687-What-event-would-you-like-to-become-WCA-official/:3kj2f3la]expressed ample interest[/url:3kj2f3la] in it both now and in the past. The skewb addition discussion has been going on for what, three years? One skewb record recognition post dates back to 2008. What I don't understand is what is keeping skewb from being added. + Resources exist for multiple skill levels (e.g. Chris Bird's 1-alg Method, acubist, Kir-Meep, Sarah's method, mine) with a great variety of approaches and techniques. + Notation (FCN) is simple, although the use of B in lieu of D for consistency with pyraminx notation is something I think needs to happen. + Scrambling and solving takes little time. + The puzzle is so much unlike the current WCA events both in approach and turning style, but yet it is relatively simple to learn to solve that I think it will provide a positive challenge for the community. In a two-year-old SpeedSolving thread, the luck and simplicity issues were brought up (primarily by Dene), as well as concern for having too many events. Regarding having too many events, though being based on opinion has some validity. However, with a short event like skewb, as opposed to occasional requests for the addition of biggerBLD and 8+x8+, the time crunch for major competitions becomes less of a potential issue. Now with luck and puzzle simplicity, I think these are waaaaay too overestimated. While easy scrambles do pop up, they're usually due to skill-based situations (e.g. one competitor knows an 8-move algorithm to solve, but someone with a different method solves in 17 moves). Looking ahead is also rather difficult due to the nature of the puzzle, making it hard to predict "easy" cases before arriving at them. I project that the times will, for the greater part, accurately reflect the skill levels of the competitors. Someone said in the SpeedSolving thread that the records will be set and continue to be set by the people who put the most effort in. I can't agree wit this more. Luck is a potential factor with all events, but luck only applies to the people who have the skill. The more algorithms and more cases a competitor knows, the more easy cases come up. Skewb is no different. Skill will determine the top results, lucky or not.

+The easiest way to people start to solve 3d puzzles in WCA events. +It's different. It's not the same puzzle but bigger (like 6x, 7x or 4xBLD and 5xBLD). +It's most popular than many official events (if 17 is a limit would be possible redefine some priorities? I don't know). ps: We already did two official championships in Brazil with skewb.