ofapel (2012-02-22 11:44:50 +0000)
We all witnessed, at a competition or another, some judging mistake. It seems that a judge guide has been created by Gilles van den Peereboom a few years ago ( I don't exactly know when since I got it from Clément Gallet by mail)
I found it very clear and complete. I think we should keep it up to date and officialize its use during competition.
What do you think of it?
Prow (2012-02-23 13:40:39 +0000)
Reading it, I didn't see a point about "extras attemps".
I suggest these additions:
- 3. Vocabulary" - Extra time: the competitor is allowed to have an additional solve.
- 5. Exceptions c. Specific rules : According to WCA regulation if there is a malfunction of the timer during the resolution (for example, it turns off when the competitort puts his hands on the timer to finish the solve, or when it stops signaling a time of less than 0.06) the resolution involved is not counted, and the competitor has the right to do another solve; unless the competitor intentionally forced the early timer stop.
Sebastien (2012-02-23 17:31:19 +0000)
The German tutorial is based on this one.
I've actually started a discussion about judging mistakes in the German forum yesterday. Someone proposed to make a video tutorial to make this tutorial's content more accessible.
Hippolyte (2012-02-23 17:46:25 +0000)
I think a tutorial like this should be use at each competition, as a recall or informations, and new competitors will learn how to judge at the beginning of these competitions, so a video wouldn't be very convenient, so not very efficient. For new competitors who want to learn before, yeah, but they often doesn't know forum, etc... and we must all teach to them in the competition place.
hcfong (2012-02-23 20:00:31 +0000)
This tutorial will need to be updated with regards to the procedure for inspection and the start of the solve, if it's going to be used at competitions. Besides that, I think it would be beneficial to new competitors to know how to judge, but I don't think we need to make it an official document. However, having a short session before the competition would be helpful.
ofapel (2012-02-26 21:26:42 +0000)
I haven't heard of the judging tutorial from cubingusa before. That's a good point.
It seems that the german community felt the need to imitate. Gaël Dusser and Roxane Balan also wrote a judge guide for the french community. I suppose there is some other tutorials in other countries.
I guess it's time to write something more official, don't you think?
hcfong (2012-02-27 07:06:34 +0000)
I don't see the need for an official judging guide. What would be the added value of it, compared to just the official WCA official regulations, which every competitor, and therefore every judge, must accept when registering for a competition, and by default must have read and understood; and are available at every WCA competition to consult?
The WCA regulations explain everything you need to know to be a competent judge. It tells you where to pick up a scrambled puzzle, where to find your competitor, what you will need at the solving table, how to start the solve and inspection, what, if any penalties to impose, how a solved cube looks like with clear example pictures, with clear examples when to impose a +2 or DNF, how to write down the time and where to bring to solved cube to, to have it scrambled again. It even tells you what to do if you're not sure - ask the main judge/WCA delegate.
If a judge makes a mistake, it's either because he made a genuine mistake, or because the judge didn't bother to read the regulations before the competition. In the first case, we are humans and make mistakes. These things happen and when they happen, the competitor is entitled to refer it to the WCA delegate for a decision. In the second case, if a competitor can't be bothered to read the WCA regulations before the competition, why would he bother reading a judging guide?
I see much more benefit in a short demonstration before the competition that shows new competitors how to judge, and go through some of the more common irregularities, like pops, timer malfunctions, penalties, etc.
On a side note, I think your choice of words about Germans feeling the need to 'imitate' rather dismissive. It gives the impression that because the French made their own guide, you are better than the Germans. It's not imitating. It's taking a good and useful resource and translate and adapt it for you own community. There's nothing wrong with that. The German speedcubing community isn't making money out of it, nor do they take credit for it. It clearly acknowledges the CubingUSA guide on which it is based.
ofapel (2012-02-27 13:14:12 +0000)
[quote="hcfong":18243g82]On a side note, I think your choice of words about Germans feeling the need to 'imitate' rather dismissive. It gives the impression that because the French made their own guide, you are better than the Germans. It's not imitating. It's taking a good and useful resource and translate and adapt it for you own community. There's nothing wrong with that. The German speedcubing community isn't making money out of it, nor do they take credit for it. It clearly acknowledges the CubingUSA guide on which it is based.[/quote:18243g82]
It's obviously not what I meant. How could I ?
A demonstration before the competition is obviously a good thing to do but new competitors can't remember everything.
The regulations is 30 pages long. Too long to be read and remembered during a competition.
A judging guide should be a useful summary easy to read, remember and use. For instance, I don't see the need of displaying article 6, 7, 8 or Z, scramble programs and event formats which are regulations dedicated to organisation team and delegate.
igaby (2013-12-27 06:14:51 +0000)
ofapel, very nice competition guide. You can also see the competitors' tutorial on Cubing USA:
I agree with Hippolyte that competitions should have competitor/judge tutorials to remind people.