Rule-breaking at Taiwan Spring Open 2011
CorneliusD (2011-04-02 14:40:08 +0000)
A few minutes ago I watched this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se8z49Hi ... ture=feedu The competitor puts the 2x2 cube on the stackmat timer and then starts the solve. As far as I know, this is not allowed according to the WCA-regulations (Mats Valk got a DNF solve in the 2x2 cube finals of Euro 2010 because of this). Either the WCA-Board needs to make sure that the delegates know the regulations better or the delegate that was at the competition needs to be more attentive. If this case is not WCA-illegal anymore, I apologize. Kind regards; happy cubing, Cornelius.
BryanLogan (2011-04-02 15:55:09 +0000)
[quote="CorneliusD":3pnj6gh6]the delegate that was at the competition needs to be more attentive.[/quote:3pnj6gh6] You expect the delegate to witness every single solve?
CorneliusD (2011-04-02 17:14:54 +0000)
[quote="BryanLogan":1zi7gq8l][quote="CorneliusD":1zi7gq8l]the delegate that was at the competition needs to be more attentive.[/quote:1zi7gq8l] You expect the delegate to witness every single solve?[/quote:1zi7gq8l] No, I expect the delegate to notice at least one of the faulty 5 solves (although I am quite sure that the competitor has done more solves like this in this competition) and give the penalties.
Tyson (2011-04-11 00:05:48 +0000)
Hi Everyone, Thank you Cornelius for bringing this to our attention. In the future, I would ask that you also e-mail the board in addition to posting about it online. It takes me a bit longer to catch something on the forums as compared to seeing it in an e-mail so for pure efficiency sake, if there's something that does require board attention, do send us an e-mail at firstname.lastname@example.org. With regard to this competition: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/res ... ngOpen2011 Yen-Hung Lai (賴彥宏) 2009LAIY01 is indeed breaking the rule as the puzzle must start on the mat and not on the timer. This is a much more serious infraction for puzzles like the magic where having the puzzle rest on the timer would be a very significant advantage. Nonetheless, this is still an infraction. The WCA, in consultation with the IAC, and David Guo the WCA delegate for this competition (who has also been in contact with the competitor) has decided to issue a +2 second penalty for the first solve of 2009LAIY01's 2x2 average. It is the competitor's fault for putting the cube on the timer. However, the judge should have notified the competitor of this mistake and issued a +2 second penalty. Had this been done properly, I do not believe the competitor would have committed any further infractions. We are hoping this is the most fair way to deal with the situation. Please let me know if there are any questions or concerns. Regards, Tyson Mao World Cube Association
Radu (2011-04-13 07:25:40 +0000)
[quote="BryanLogan":2ym42jgj][quote="CorneliusD":2ym42jgj]the delegate that was at the competition needs to be more attentive.[/quote:2ym42jgj] You expect the delegate to witness every single solve?[/quote:2ym42jgj] That's why I think that judges should be selected more carefully. It's impossible for the delegate to see everything at every moment. Judges have a bigger responsibility than we think.
Sebastien (2011-04-13 19:29:37 +0000)
[quote="Radu":1dsvj8xf] That's why I think that judges should be selected more carefully. It's impossible for the delegate to see everything at every moment. Judges have a bigger responsibility than we think.[/quote:1dsvj8xf] Have fun selecting fully-capable judges and managing to hold a competition on 2 days only with those judges then. Welcome to Utopia.
Radu (2011-04-14 13:47:49 +0000)
I'm not saying you have to have only one group of judges for all events and both days or to select them one by one. But I think the delegate can (and should) make the minimal effort to take care so that no newbies judge (first-timers) or people he doesn't know etc. and tell them "please no..". It's not that hard. So when I said "selecting", I meant more like "counter selecting". Especially in a big competition with 100+ competitors, I'm sure there are plenty of people with experience nowadays that can offer a fair judging.
Sebastien (2011-04-15 07:19:47 +0000)
I prefer forcing everyone to be a capable judge. In fact the regulation say that every competitor needs to know them. Of course no newbie does, but I require at least basic knowledge and judging abilities. That why whe have a german "competitor tutorial" whose link I send out in every competition E-Mail. The problem with telling special people not to judge is, that it is already hard to have enough judges for running a competition fluently. A lot of people don't want to judge quite often and this will be pushed if you tell others better not to judge.