Or organi[u:e8m36lc0]s[/u:e8m36lc0]ation team if you prefer :p Currently, the regulations state: [quote:e8m36lc0]1b) The organisation team of a competition is responsible for: [list:e8m36lc0][*:e8m36lc0]1b1) Making all arrangements before and during the competition. [/*:m:e8m36lc0][*:e8m36lc0]1b2) Making a printed or electronic version of the WCA regulations available at the competition. [/*:m:e8m36lc0][/list:u:e8m36lc0][/quote:e8m36lc0] There have been a few recent competitions in the US where the organizers have been unprepared, and the delegate and/or others not part of the organization team have had to step in and help significantly with organizing and running the competition. This should *not* be something they should have to do. Helping work a competition is fine, but helping run it is something else entirely, and something the delegate/others should not need to do if they dont want. I would therefore like to see at least the following few things added to this: [quote:e8m36lc0]1b) The organisation team of a competition is responsible for: [list:e8m36lc0] [*:e8m36lc0]1b1) Making all arrangements before and during the competition, including: - Arranging for the venue, - Organizing a sufficient number of workers (officials and others) for the competition, - Acquiring the minimum necessary equipment and furnishings for the competition (as noted in 6d, 7c, 8a7). [/*:m:e8m36lc0][*:e8m36lc0]1b2) Making a printed or electronic version of the WCA regulations available at the competition. [/*:m:e8m36lc0][*:e8m36lc0]1b3) Managing all officials and overseeing the flow of the competition.[/*:m:e8m36lc0][/list:u:e8m36lc0][/quote:e8m36lc0] There are potentially a few more things that can be added here, but I'll leave it at this for now. Wording could potentially be clarified among other things, at least. Please make suggestions - additions, or if you think something I suggested shouldn't be there.

I agree with you that some organizers are not serious enough. The problem is : Do we need to put it in the rules ? Will the organizer be more serious after ? I'm not sure, because I am not sure non-serious organizer will read the rules. Ron and I are working on a project of wiki, with a lot of advices for organizers. I think that could help organizers a lot, and prevent from a bad organisation. What do you think ?

I agree with Edouard. This seems to be more of a wiki thing. When people ask me about organizing a competition, i give them a list of things they need to do first, which includes all of those things.

I would agree, however there already is a pretty good, detailed [url=http://cubewhiz.com/competition.html:3va5lnyr]guide[/url:3va5lnyr] on Bob's site which is fairly well known. I would therefore like to see something in the regulations - not just a wiki which doesn't have to be followed or looked at - clarifying that the organization team (not others) should be the ones to make sure the competition is ran smoothly. If the organizer doesn't read the rules, it seems even more likely they won't read the wiki.

In one way, this is already taken care of from a regulation-point-of-view. The WCA delegate will report to the WCA board about the conduct of the competiton, and the official status of the whole competition, events and individual solves will be decided upon. /Anders

I remember at the Carneige Mellon COmpetition, it started late(30 min) because the timers and equipment wasn't set up there was no one to register in anyone and the main organizer was late to the competition

[quote="anders":rfrh1pls]In one way, this is already taken care of from a regulation-point-of-view. The WCA delegate will report to the WCA board about the conduct of the competiton, and the official status of the whole competition, events and individual solves will be decided upon. /Anders[/quote:rfrh1pls] But how about something that will inform a first time competitor BEFORE the competition (instead of just after).

[quote="Bob":2w7tl17d]But how about something that will inform a first time competitor BEFORE the competition (instead of just after).[/quote:2w7tl17d] Yes, you have a point, but is this a regulation issue? We already have 2a) Any person may be a competitor during a competition, if he: * 2a1) accepts the WCA regulations; which implies that the competitor must know the rules before the competition. Maybe add a rule that force the organiser to inform all competitors about 2a1) before the competition? On the other hand, guides of how to organise competitions and guides of what is expected from a competitor are great complements to the regulations. /Anders

[quote="anders":2nu2liy2]We already have 2a) Any person may be a competitor during a competition, if he: * 2a1) accepts the WCA regulations; which implies that the competitor must know the rules before the competition.[/quote:2nu2liy2] Does it? I think they "should" know them by this: 2t) Before the competition all competitors should make themselves familiar with the WCA regulations. [quote="anders":2nu2liy2]Maybe add a rule that force the organiser to inform all competitors about 2a1) before the competition?[/quote:2nu2liy2] I agree. I always tell competitors that they should be familiar with the regulations and keep a couple copies available at the competition. [quote="anders":2nu2liy2]On the other hand, guides of how to organise competitions and guides of what is expected from a competitor are great complements to the regulations.[/quote:2nu2liy2] I agree with this, too. I'm not opposed to the guides (I wrote one, right?). I think they are helpful. But I think there should ADDITIONALLY be something in the regulations about the responsibility of the organization team. As of now, the regulations for the responsibilities of the organization team are very skimpy and don't really give the team much to do. I think too much responsibility has been given to the delegate and not enough to the organizers. Do we agree that the organization team needs more responsibility than what is outlined in the regulations?: 1b) The organisation team of a competition is responsible for: 1b1) Making all arrangements before and during the competition. 1b2) Making a printed or electronic version of the WCA regulations available at the competition. At the very least, I think 1b1 needs to be more specific. It is so vague, it appears to be almost meaningless.

[quote:20w47nhk]At the very least, I think 1b1 needs to be more specific. It is so vague, it appears to be almost meaningless.[/quote:20w47nhk] Technically you are of course right. Practically I think it is fine now. Only one can be responsible and that is the organisation team. That is what the article says. But what exactly are they responsible for? If we would be very precise and describe everything they are responsible for, then it will become a loooong list and even then it will not be a complete. And who will be responsible for the not mentioned items on the list? Some examples: - a venue should have toilets - the lamps on the wall should not easily fall off and hurt someone - the tables for the timers should be stable - the timers should be clean - the judges should be correctly dressed - the media should not come too close to the active competitors et cetera Of course we could make a small list that would cover most of these subjects. But even that would be 'vague' according to your definition. I expect a lot from the wiki and our community to fill it. Thanks, Ron