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StefanPochmann (2008-07-06 20:53:00 +0000)
Yes, you're really slow.
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jbcm627 (2008-07-07 03:36:24 +0000)
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Don't think you are too slow, though.
If you want to know how you stack up against people in competition, just look at [url=http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/events.php?eventId=333®ionId=&years=&show=All%2BPersons&average=Average:3mxl2a76]average rankings[/url:3mxl2a76] from people who have been in competitions. As you can see, you don't have to improve by too much to go up a significant ammount in rank, either.
There are a load of things you can do to improve... take a look at the beginner [url=http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14#post14:3mxl2a76]speedsolving.com[/url:3mxl2a76] forums for starters, perhaps.
BigSams (2008-12-29 16:13:34 +0000)
Nothing seems to be wrong with your method. I use exactly what you use, except with a few extra F2L tricks up my sleeve
. And I can average sub-25. Recently I have also been getting sub-20s.
My advice to you would be to concentrate on improving your cross to always getting it in less than 8 moves (some special cases are also 8 moves away, but all cases have been proven to be 8 or less moves away). And when you are doing F2L, don't let your mind wander, and don't just watch your fingers. Watch the movement of the next F2L pair's corner and edge pieces to predict what the next alg you need is.
Two more things. Make your cross at the bottom if you dont already (this saves a few seconds), and use fingers tricks. Look at youtube vids for example finger tricks. DONT use your entire hand. This will probably be your biggest time-shaver.
blade740 (2008-12-29 17:25:31 +0000)
So, wait, you've bumped two old topics: one to tell them not to ask questions about speedsolving methods...and one to answer a question about speedsolving methods?
Dene (2008-12-29 21:14:53 +0000)
Two more things. Make your cross at the bottom if you dont already (this saves a few seconds)[/quote:2niuwx1k]
People take more than like half a second to flip over the cube?
cubetalk (2008-12-30 21:22:49 +0000)
Two more things. Make your cross at the bottom if you dont already (this saves a few seconds)[/quote:11hrfzm9]
People take more than like half a second to flip over the cube?[/quote:11hrfzm9]
doing that makes your view on the f2l look more visual and you can see it better
BigSams (2008-12-30 22:04:08 +0000)
srry i ddnt notice how old it was. and the reason i ddnt tell this guy to not post this type of topics was because i saw stefan pochmann reply, so i figured that if someone of his caliber was not gona reprimand the dude, why should i?
cubetalk mentioned that a cross-on-bottom makes the f2l more visual. thats very true, and also its not only half a second that you gain. it is probably several seconds because if you have to flip it, then the LL will look completely foriegn and you will usually be lost for a bit. if its cross-on-bottom then you get an instant view of LL after F2L.
anyways, sorry for "bumping up" old topics, wont happen agen, im sort of new around here lol, jus trying to contribute
blade740 (2008-12-31 00:35:09 +0000)
If someone of "Stefan's caliber" were to not reprimand method questions, I would assume that they are all right. Not just this one, but all of them.
Dene (2008-12-31 00:49:04 +0000)
Two more things. Make your cross at the bottom if you dont already (this saves a few seconds)[/quote:1t26f4ra]
People take more than like half a second to flip over the cube?[/quote:1t26f4ra]
doing that makes your view on the f2l look more visual and you can see it better[/quote:1t26f4ra]
I'm just going to fix up your sentence as best as I can. Are you saying:
"Solving the cross on the bottom means that you can see more of the cubies that you will need for the F2L. This is because with the cross on the top, assuming you can only see 2 faces, has almost a whole face already solved and thus only 1 face of cubies that you might be looking for, while if you solve the cross on the bottom, you have 2 full faces of cubies that you might be looking for."
You would be correct, if that is what you were saying, but it isn't going to cost anyone who isn't slow anyway more than half a second.
StefanPochmann (2008-12-31 10:08:48 +0000)
TMOY (2008-12-31 12:12:15 +0000)
Video taken at Toulouse Open 2008. OK the time is not great for him, but you can clearly see him do the cross and then flip the cube.
BigSams (2009-01-01 19:51:07 +0000)
omg guys, all i said was that you should NOT do your Cross + F2L and then flip. however, i also think that you should NOT do Cross then flip, but that is at least BETTER than a flip after F2L.
you guys both showed a vid of doing the flip after [u:24b8gam9]cross[/u:24b8gam9]. i was originally only talking about flip after [u:24b8gam9]F2L[/u:24b8gam9]. anyways, i suppose people can do whatever they want.
but from my experience, it might have been a gruelling few weeks of switching from "CROSS on top + F2L on top + flip + LL" to "CROSS at bottom + F2L on bottom + LL" , but it was definately worth it.
and also... why on earth would someone with the ability to do F2L on bottom (like in stefan's vid link) still do cross on top + flip? makes no sense. unless a person really really really doesnt want to do intuitive moves at the bottom.
StefanPochmann (2009-01-01 20:29:27 +0000)
[quote="BigSams":1cs88qtp]Make your cross at the bottom if you dont already (this saves a few seconds)[/quote:1cs88qtp]
[quote="BigSams":1cs88qtp]all i said was that you should NOT do your Cross + F2L and then flip[/quote:1cs88qtp]
[quote="BigSams":1cs88qtp]why on earth would someone with the ability to do F2L on bottom (like in stefan's vid link) still do cross on top + flip? makes no sense. unless a person really really really doesnt want to do intuitive moves at the bottom.[/quote:1cs88qtp]
If I remember correctly, he said he can twist faster this way and he does the last turn as a double layer turn moving the cross to bottom and through this double layer turn he actually sees *more*.
BigSams (2009-01-05 02:08:38 +0000)
sorry for late reply. school is about to start and i’ve been busy.
making the cross at the bottom (the first thing i said) is essentially the same as not doing any flipping (the second thing i said)
this double turn method sounds very interesting. i think i will try it out. it does have logic to it, so i have to say that i am sorry for my past ignorance on that subject.
is there a reason why top cubers like nakajima and harris chan and erik don’t take advantage of this?
StefanPochmann (2009-01-05 10:21:25 +0000)
[quote="BigSams":1a5k855l]is there a reason why top cubers like nakajima and harris chan and erik don’t take advantage of this?[/quote:1a5k855l]
I guess it has both advantages and disadvantages. Matter of personal preference, maybe. Another example is that Erik is opposite-cross-neutral while Yu isn't. Or cross left vs bottom during F2L.