Hi ! [quote="WCA Regulations":2d9hc76l]A4d2) The competitor must start the solve within 17 seconds after the start of the inspection. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.[/quote:2d9hc76l] These rule divided the french communitie between Hippolyte and other cubers. We just don't know if this should be saved as DNS or DNF. We all think inspection is part of the solve but Hippolyte considers that because you didn't make any move, it should be noted as DNS. I think "disqualification" should be clarified.

I think this is clearly DNF. From the regulations: [quote:cltqp9t7]9f4) DNF (Did Not Finish) is the result if the solve was disqualified or unfinished. 9f5) DNS (Did Not Start) is the result if a competitor skipped an attempt in a round.[/quote:cltqp9t7] When the judge comes with a scrambled cube, you are committed to attempting the solve. Otherwise, it's possible to manipulate whether to get a DNF or a DNS, which doesn't really make sense to me. A DNF should be given if a disqualification occurred because (of a rule violation), DNS if the rules were followed but the competitor simply didn't attempt that solve. Do you think another explicit clarification is necessary? Does the phrasing of 9f4) need to be improved?

A DNS is not a disqualification. A DNF is.

@Lucas : Noone remembered this article so noone brought it to the conversation in the AFS forum. Anyway, that's quite clear in my opinion. Although, a sentence such as "penalty : disqualification of the solve (DNF)" on A4d2 could make sure it's clear to everyone. Thanks for your replies.

[quote="la-chose":2wzv1p2p]@Lucas : Noone remembered this article so noone brought it to the conversation in the AFS forum. Anyway, that's quite clear in my opinion. Although, a sentence such as "penalty : disqualification of the solve (DNF)" on A4d2 could make sure it's clear to everyone.[/quote:2wzv1p2p] Good rule of thumb: Try to think of checking the Regulations proactively. I also didn't remember that the regulations had a definition of DNF, but a simple search worked. (This is one reason we require the Regulations to be present at every competition.) There are a lot of rules that say explain when a solve is "disqualified". I'll make a note to look at them all, and possibly clarify it for the update to the Regulations.

I agree with Lucas when he says, A DNS means that all the rules were followed but the competitor didn't compete. I think if a competitor starts the timer after 17 seconds, it should be a DNF because the competitor broke the rules. I think DNS means Did Not Solve. But when they break the rules, it should be a DNF. And Merry Christmas everyone!!